Rev. Katherine Hawker-Self says that for decades she had to choose between being gay and being spiritual. That changed five years ago:

"I stopped drinking, came out, moved out, and got in the program, and began to find spirituality around 12 Step tables that allowed me to be in touch with the sacred and gay at the same time. And I think that was really the first time that had happened, you know? I wasn’t judged."

"I had a sponsor one time that said, 'Have you taken this to prayer? You need to pray about this.' I had been a minister for, I don’t know, 20 years by then. And I said, 'I don’t know how to pray.' I know how to write prayers. I have a website where I have tons of written prayers. I write prayers all the time. But how to be quiet and in touch with the sacred, it’s a totally different thing, and I had to learn that. I had to learn that."

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Katherine Hawker-Self recorded her story in St. Louis, Mo. on July 3, 2013.